My son (age 9) has played guitar for a couple of years now. He recently asked to learn the trumpet as well. As a parent looking to purchase a beginner instrument for a budding musician that seems to want to learn as many instruments as possible, I greatly appreciate this video.
The best beginner's trumpet was a CONN 22B, circa 1942, I think,. It was at least for me. My dad rented it for me not knowing one trumpet from another. This was in 1953 and the cost was $7 per month, a lot of money in those days. I soloed in a school program, I was in 5th grade, and the solo was Oh, Mein Papa. So, at least I got off to a good start. Today, the Chinese, Taiwan, and other trumpets, excluding Indian trumpets, are pretty good, but slotting is hard. And they are hard to keep in tune. I've tested them all, and I believe that the Conn-Selmer Prelude is the best beginners trumpet.
Great experience back in 53. How are you now with the trumpet? I'd like to know and learn to play the trumpet. I didn't liked it's sound a few years ago, and now after listening to trumpet/instrumental/orchestral music, 😏I enjoy it. Do you know the trumpet that Ray Anthony used in his albums from the 60s? Albums like, My Love Forgive Me, and Love is for the Two of Us. I think it's the melodies and the bouncing trumpet sound (I don't know what it's called) that are very beautiful.
I might be biased as I play a Bach Strad, but i do prefer the sound from the Bach 501. Although the overtones from the Yamaha and the Thomann TR-5000 GL sound much better. at the end of the day It’s down to what you like how you play.
I went to a Salvation Army store as a 13 year old kid and bought a Olds, Ambassador cornet. I paid $15 bucks for it. When I turned 48, I got nostalgic and sent it off to get refurbished and replated at "Pettifor's" of Los Angeles Avenue, Elkhart, Indiana... They did a dynamite job of fixing, de-denting and replating everything. Cost was $155 Dollars in 1989. Badger State cases sold me a new leather clad horn case for $60 dollars. the horn and case were so beautiful I played it and coddled it for another 10 years. Now my Kids and Grand kids don't even care about muisic, they only either listen to rap or play on their cell phone apps!
@@Retroairreports he maybe disappointed in what is happening, and it is true, most kids whine, don't help out, are picky eaters, and are on cellphones a lot and demand it all--our daughter loves music, and I am about to look for a beginner trumpet for our almost 5 yr old, we don't hate technology, but must have music, meals together, and respect. Hope they turn out to be good adults, but as we all know, that doesn't always work out... I love it when family keeps special items and hand it over to the next generation, maybe perhaps a great grandchild would like one, maybe a different one, if not the one we liked as young children, there is soo much in music, my daughter loves the piano, and tin whistle,but she is so good in violin, I am hoping she keeps at it, but afraid she doesn't "love" it enough...please be kind...
Some of the others did sound a bit better than the Jupiter but I was surprised I liked the sound of it that much. Very mellow and warm when compared to the others.
Excellent, it is absolutley necessary that the demonstrator has top intonation and can slot in the notes consistently, so that the horns can be accurately compared. Something should be said about scaling, e.i if any notes are off, even the slightest. Very good indeed, thank you.
Gary, I could hear your listening to yourself... on the wending path the Jupiter was allowing at closing. A Magic for the dollar.....and hey, that TR 5000 GL...a nice sound!
I guess, as a beginner, the most important thing ist that your trumpet doesn't let you down. It has to be mechanically solid with good working valves and a stable intonation. In this stage you don't know if a bad tone is your fault or just a bad working instrument. The experienced player knows it immediately. And for the Thomann 5000 Series comes in very cool colours, so it's just a joy to play it and you grab ist every time with pleasure.
To correct you on the Yamaha valves, they gave us a problem on the YTR 5335gsii, became sluggish and had to be sent to workshop, the fault was still there some 4 months when it was returned. So be warned, take a look on the forums, the valves are problematic. It was sent back for refund and now we are looking at Getzen.
I've had similar issues with Yamaha as far as sluggishness on valves, but have also had some great experiences with them, especially if u're using that valve oil of theirs with the clear little bottle with a navy blue cap.... Straight🔥🔥🔥🔥. Getzen on the other hand, some of the best valves I've ever had the pleasure of fingering.....and that was on a beginners model after I worked those bitches in. Don't know their secret, but God damnit they know what the fuck they're doing over there. My 2¢ and then some.
I bought a Thomann tr200 Bb trumpet. I am very happy with it and bought it for learning to play the instrument. I have a light problem though, the white little piece on top of the valve that is glued came off while practicing, maybe the heat of the finger softened the glue. Does anyone know what kind of glue I can use to put it back on? Thanks and sorry if I used the word "glue" too much. :P
Jason Harrelson claims that his experiments yielded that the ovate tuning slide actually creates more blowing resistance than the standard or squared off tuning slide. Also, through my own playing experience, I've discovered that the reversed lead pipe and downhill slide designs do not affect blowing resistance or air flow enough to make it worth the trouble of making the instrument that way and worth the extra trouble of maintaining the slides when they're configured that way. If you take a puff on a cigarette and blow the smoke through the horn, it takes a lot of playing before you finally see the smoke come out of the bell of the horn. This tells us that the air doesn't go whipping through the trumpet at warp speed, to the point where one the edges of slides on the inside of the tubing is going to make any difference whatsoever. And when you stop to think how small the throat of a mouthpiece is, that's the bottleneck in the whole process. Because of the small size of the mouthpiece throat, the air is not going to go flowing through that horn at a high rate of speed. The horn is just an amplification and sound conditioning device. I have a horn with the reverse lead pipe design, and all of the slides have that reversed female to male configuration. That means that when all of the slides are removed, there are going to be a male (inner) part of the slide on every single slide. The disadvantage of this is that If you ever have to clean off these inner slide parts with either some extra fine steel wool, or a dremel polishing tool, it creates the risk of accidentally hitting the external finish on other parts of the horn and putting all kinds of cosmetic flaws on the horn. I HATE THAT! This whole concept of reversed slides was a bad idea that serves no purpose, it's only done to satisfy a perception. I wish horn manufacturers would stop making horns this way. It's just one more reason why the old vintage horns were better. The manufacturing quality was better and the mix of the alloys were better. We never heard of red-rot in the old days. That only happens with these newer, more cheaply made horns. Today, you have all of these step-bore and poly-bore designs that are supposed to give the horn better intonation with itself. I've got news for you - the newer horns STILL don't play perfectly in tune with themselves even with all of that step-bore stuff.
If you’re asking because you want to know if you should by one you should use the one that comes with the trumpet because it is most likely a 7c or 11b4 which is a good starter mouthpiece
So what, exactly, makes some trumpets stuffy and others more free-blowing? Whatever are some trumpets and flugelhorns that are known to be more free-blowing and well-slotting than most? Thanks.
I had problems with Yamaha valves corroding on an advantage trumpet in my first year of middle school, and the Jupiter that replaced it gave me no issues until I accidentally dented the valve casing or something. I have an accent one now, and the issue with that one is the mouthpiece it comes with, it is super uncomfortable. So I have a soft spot for the Jupiter instrument. It was easiest to play high with it.
What no Monette trumpets, lol? All of the trumpets sound great in the presenter's hands. Yamaha has never let me down, but there are lots of choices these days.
This comment confuses me, first of all this is a video demonstrating student models that top out at like $1000 meanwhile monnetes start at like $10,000, second of all the trumpets do not rlly sound that good in the presenters hand cuz his tone is kinda weird (unless they have a rlly shitty mic) but the third part I agree with, Yamahas r always at least somewhat decent even if other brands can outperform for an individual for a certain type of trumpet
Hi, i'm looking for a beginners trumpet, Thomann are right around my budget, but can't find the differences between TR 200, TR 500 L and all the S,M , GL and other nomenclature in your store. Thanks beforehand
It's a whole lot to do with the skill of the person behind the mouth-piece, never mind the instrument. Like the guy who said to another at a grouse shoot who had shot far more than himself....you must have a really brilliant gun!
You’re right-it’s more to do with the player than the horn, and if you play as well as the guy in this video does, you’ve worked at it for a long time, and any horn you play will sound good..at the same time, you do want to give a beginner an instrument that’s good quality, yet affordable.
Playing a Taylor (Monette copy) and a Schilke (1958) which was my horn in Jr. High school and have found that from playing in many orchestras and bands, it's the player that makes the biggest difference, not the horn. The plastic Tromba C trumpet would be the easiest to play for a student.
Thomann trumpets are made in China. They test them in Germany before selling them. The Yamaha in this video is also made in China, and the Bach. Jupiter is made in Taiwan. But they are all good trumpets.
Yamaha valves? You have to be kidding, three new trumpets later we resigned to the fact that the Yamaha has problems with their Monel valves so would not recommend (5335gsii)
My son (age 9) has played guitar for a couple of years now. He recently asked to learn the trumpet as well. As a parent looking to purchase a beginner instrument for a budding musician that seems to want to learn as many instruments as possible, I greatly appreciate this video.
Just have to love this guy, his presentation is flawless!
Concur.
I don't know why but I keep coming back to this video...I like this guy - "I'm American, Come On!"
The best beginner's trumpet was a CONN 22B, circa 1942, I think,. It was at least for me. My dad rented it for me not knowing one trumpet from another. This was in 1953 and the cost was $7 per month, a lot of money in those days. I soloed in a school program, I was in 5th grade, and the solo was Oh, Mein Papa. So, at least I got off to a good start. Today, the Chinese, Taiwan, and other trumpets, excluding Indian trumpets, are pretty good, but slotting is hard. And they are hard to keep in tune. I've tested them all, and I believe that the Conn-Selmer Prelude is the best beginners trumpet.
Great experience back in 53. How are you now with the trumpet?
I'd like to know and learn to play the trumpet. I didn't liked it's sound a few years ago, and now after listening to trumpet/instrumental/orchestral music, 😏I enjoy it.
Do you know the trumpet that Ray Anthony used in his albums from the 60s? Albums like, My Love Forgive Me, and Love is for the Two of Us. I think it's the melodies and the bouncing trumpet sound (I don't know what it's called) that are very beautiful.
Just going with my gut I think you liked the Yamaha the best :)
Gary’s one chill cat.
I might be biased as I play a Bach Strad, but i do prefer the sound from the Bach 501. Although the overtones from the Yamaha and the Thomann TR-5000 GL sound much better. at the end of the day It’s down to what you like how you play.
From all 5, I really liked how sounds Thomann TR-5000 GL! Probably my next purchase soon! Thanks a lot!
I went to a Salvation Army store as a 13 year old kid and bought a Olds, Ambassador cornet. I paid $15 bucks for it. When I turned 48, I got nostalgic and sent it off to get refurbished and replated at "Pettifor's" of Los Angeles Avenue, Elkhart, Indiana... They did a dynamite job of fixing, de-denting and replating everything. Cost was $155 Dollars in 1989. Badger State cases sold me a new leather clad horn case for $60 dollars. the horn and case were so beautiful I played it and coddled it for another 10 years. Now my Kids and Grand kids don't even care about muisic, they only either listen to rap or play on their cell phone apps!
briquetaverne
You know I was liking the whole thing and then you randomly brought up your kids and bashed them. Got anything better to do?
That's a tragedy. Show them some good jazz.
@@Retroairreports he maybe disappointed in what is happening, and it is true, most kids whine, don't help out, are picky eaters, and are on cellphones a lot and demand it all--our daughter loves music, and I am about to look for a beginner trumpet for our almost 5 yr old, we don't hate technology, but must have music, meals together, and respect. Hope they turn out to be good adults, but as we all know, that doesn't always work out... I love it when family keeps special items and hand it over to the next generation, maybe perhaps a great grandchild would like one, maybe a different one, if not the one we liked as young children, there is soo much in music, my daughter loves the piano, and tin whistle,but she is so good in violin, I am hoping she keeps at it, but afraid she doesn't "love" it enough...please be kind...
@@IIrandhandleII oh, I didn't hear that.
Thanks so much for your display of trumpets I have recently purchased the Jupiter 700 working great so far🎺😁
Some of the others did sound a bit better than the Jupiter but I was surprised I liked the sound of it that much. Very mellow and warm when compared to the others.
Excellent, it is absolutley necessary that the demonstrator has top intonation and can slot in the notes consistently, so that the horns can be accurately compared. Something should be said about scaling, e.i if any notes are off, even the slightest. Very good indeed, thank you.
i think the jupiter has the best overall sound. lows sound stable and the highs dont sound tinny. nice video.
That was a really great impartial review thank you
God damn you're a good salesman taking notes on this one.
Gary, I could hear your listening to yourself... on the wending path the Jupiter was allowing at closing. A Magic for the dollar.....and hey, that TR 5000 GL...a nice sound!
I guess, as a beginner, the most important thing ist that your trumpet doesn't let you down. It has to be mechanically solid with good working valves and a stable intonation. In this stage you don't know if a bad tone is your fault or just a bad working instrument. The experienced player knows it immediately. And for the Thomann 5000 Series comes in very cool colours, so it's just a joy to play it and you grab ist every time with pleasure.
Solid advice! Which one was your first trumpet?
My Bach Strad was lost in transit so I bought a Yahama for a gig, Still using it.
stellar playing my friend!
Hey Thomann, great video! I'm a low brass player, so I'd love to see some Euphonium/Tuba videos!
Thanks for the video ,im a begginer i qould buy the bach!!
Thanks
beautiful instrument !
Looking for daughter 3rd year. But wow, fun to hear this guy play
Thanks, I was thinking about buying used, however I'm now convinced beginner new is better.
Eddie please read the opposing point of view in my reply above ^^.
Man, it just feels so good!
very helpful. Jupiter is the one for me.
Hi Gary. Why don't you test the Bach TR450 for us too. It looks like to be a cannon ball. Just to know your opinion.
The Jupiter sounds the best.
Which one would you recommend for jazz?
To correct you on the Yamaha valves, they gave us a problem on the YTR 5335gsii, became sluggish and had to be sent to workshop, the fault was still there some 4 months when it was returned. So be warned, take a look on the forums, the valves are problematic. It was sent back for refund and now we are looking at Getzen.
I've had similar issues with Yamaha as far as sluggishness on valves, but have also had some great experiences with them, especially if u're using that valve oil of theirs with the clear little bottle with a navy blue cap.... Straight🔥🔥🔥🔥. Getzen on the other hand, some of the best valves I've ever had the pleasure of fingering.....and that was on a beginners model after I worked those bitches in. Don't know their secret, but God damnit they know what the fuck they're doing over there. My 2¢ and then some.
Did you mix synthetic and non-synthetic valve oils. That can gum up the valves?
Thank you for doing this comparison!
13:32 RED SPY IS IN THE BASE!
lol
I bought a Thomann tr200 Bb trumpet. I am very happy with it and bought it for learning to play the instrument.
I have a light problem though, the white little piece on top of the valve that is glued came off while practicing, maybe the heat of the finger softened the glue.
Does anyone know what kind of glue I can use to put it back on?
Thanks and sorry if I used the word "glue" too much. :P
superglue i guess
Am I crazy to think the TR200 sounded as good if not better than the other horns? And I don’t say that because I just ordered one. 👊
Mike, how is it treating you? I just ordered one!
@@kd8fkt Same here. What about you?
Yep. I'm a Pro trumpet player. Thought the same thing
What happened to his head at 9:35 lol
He's secretly an AI computer using holograms technology so he can play the trumpet on RUclips as a human
reptilian alert
These man think I can’t see their tricks 😂
error matrix
Lmao! Yo, wtf?!
Was a toss up between Bach 501 and teh Yamaha 5335gs ii.........but the yamaha found us!
J 0:44, 0:59, y 2:53, 3:24, b 5:31
Is the Thomann 5000 GL the same one as the Tr-500 GL? Can't find the 5000 series in the webpage
Thank you, that's the best "how to break up with your girlfriend" tutorial on youtube! can't wait to start learning how to play the trumpet!
Nice! Cheslea Bridge at 3:44
Super review by a top musician
Digg’n the big SPL meter 💪
Clifford Brown's rendition of stardust is my absolute favorite
🔥 🔥🔥🔥
Did you go to school for sales or something, I'm just blown away.
Blown away lol brass jokes
13:31 Trumpet player's conclusion
Thanks a ton, forreal. subscribed and Thomann fan now
excellent presentation.
Jason Harrelson claims that his experiments yielded that the ovate tuning slide actually creates more blowing resistance than the standard or squared off tuning slide. Also, through my own playing experience, I've discovered that the reversed lead pipe and downhill slide designs do not affect blowing resistance or air flow enough to make it worth the trouble of making the instrument that way and worth the extra trouble of maintaining the slides when they're configured that way. If you take a puff on a cigarette and blow the smoke through the horn, it takes a lot of playing before you finally see the smoke come out of the bell of the horn. This tells us that the air doesn't go whipping through the trumpet at warp speed, to the point where one the edges of slides on the inside of the tubing is going to make any difference whatsoever. And when you stop to think how small the throat of a mouthpiece is, that's the bottleneck in the whole process. Because of the small size of the mouthpiece throat, the air is not going to go flowing through that horn at a high rate of speed. The horn is just an amplification and sound conditioning device. I have a horn with the reverse lead pipe design, and all of the slides have that reversed female to male configuration. That means that when all of the slides are removed, there are going to be a male (inner) part of the slide on every single slide. The disadvantage of this is that If you ever have to clean off these inner slide parts with either some extra fine steel wool, or a dremel polishing tool, it creates the risk of accidentally hitting the external finish on other parts of the horn and putting all kinds of cosmetic flaws on the horn. I HATE THAT! This whole concept of reversed slides was a bad idea that serves no purpose, it's only done to satisfy a perception. I wish horn manufacturers would stop making horns this way. It's just one more reason why the old vintage horns were better. The manufacturing quality was better and the mix of the alloys were better. We never heard of red-rot in the old days. That only happens with these newer, more cheaply made horns. Today, you have all of these step-bore and poly-bore designs that are supposed to give the horn better intonation with itself. I've got news for you - the newer horns STILL don't play perfectly in tune with themselves even with all of that step-bore stuff.
I always wanting to find the best trumpet for marching, easy to play on the high note, loud and clear
Chelsea bridge!! one of my favourite ballads :D
Are you using the mouthpiece that comes with each trumpet ?! ..pls
No, he said he used his own mouthpiece
If you’re asking because you want to know if you should by one you should use the one that comes with the trumpet because it is most likely a 7c or 11b4 which is a good starter mouthpiece
Hi Thomann, do you recommend buying a C or Bb trumpet as beginner?
So what, exactly, makes some trumpets stuffy and others more free-blowing?
Whatever are some trumpets and flugelhorns that are known to be more free-blowing and well-slotting than most?
Thanks.
the yamaha sounded nice especcially when playing softley
Thank you, this is gratis stuff.
Nice video, can you do one with flugelhorns as well!?!?!?
The acb flugels are great
Did you guys discontinue the 5000 trumpet?
Bummer that you don’t put the prices of these!!
very nice video
I had problems with Yamaha valves corroding on an advantage trumpet in my first year of middle school, and the Jupiter that replaced it gave me no issues until I accidentally dented the valve casing or something. I have an accent one now, and the issue with that one is the mouthpiece it comes with, it is super uncomfortable. So I have a soft spot for the Jupiter instrument. It was easiest to play high with it.
What no Monette trumpets, lol? All of the trumpets sound great in the presenter's hands. Yamaha has never let me down, but there are lots of choices these days.
I would be really appreciative and interested in hearing what alternatives you would suggest.
The 5 you see here are clearly for kids/beginners. Monettes are pretty much strictly for pros.
This comment confuses me, first of all this is a video demonstrating student models that top out at like $1000 meanwhile monnetes start at like $10,000, second of all the trumpets do not rlly sound that good in the presenters hand cuz his tone is kinda weird (unless they have a rlly shitty mic) but the third part I agree with, Yamahas r always at least somewhat decent even if other brands can outperform for an individual for a certain type of trumpet
It's really too bad that Olds shuttered in 1979. The Ambassador line was and STILL IS the BEST line of beginner instruments.
I wanne see your high-range embouchure!
ANDREW!! :) :)
Out of curiosity, why the decimeter?
They have it there for the guitar videos... they took it away once and the public outcry was apparently significant. So, it stays.
The song played with the TR200?!? Please!!! 🙏
2:53 "Distracting Trumpet"
Great audio. What mic did you use?
Hi, i'm looking for a beginners trumpet, Thomann are right around my budget, but can't find the differences between TR 200, TR 500 L and all the S,M , GL and other nomenclature in your store. Thanks beforehand
Yamaha YTR-3335 AND Thomann TR-5000 GL BEST
Intresting Thanks
Other than the price, what is the difference between a student trumpet and a intermediate one?
Good question. As a trumpet player myself, I don’t think there is much of a difference, except for the price.
It's a whole lot to do with the skill of the person behind the mouth-piece, never mind the instrument. Like the guy who said to another at a grouse shoot who had shot far more than himself....you must have a really brilliant gun!
You’re right-it’s more to do with the player than the horn, and if you play as well as the guy in this video does, you’ve worked at it for a long time, and any horn you play will sound good..at the same time, you do want to give a beginner an instrument that’s good quality, yet affordable.
Thanks for the tip I know now
Jupiter and the last one were best
Are the elude etr 100 and 200 series trumpets a good buy?
I have a Bach tr500, that's pretty similar to the tr501 right?
Quite! You can find the TR500 specs on Bach's official website. Check ours to see the tr501 specs.
You made a great choice, by the way! //Simon
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thank you
Parabéns.
What is the price of those trumpets?
Playing a Taylor (Monette copy) and a Schilke (1958) which was my horn in Jr. High school and have found that from playing in many orchestras and bands, it's the player that makes the biggest difference, not the horn. The plastic Tromba C trumpet would be the easiest to play for a student.
Do you have any idea about the Kaizer C-Series (4000) Intermediate Trumpet B Flat Bb Anniversary Edition
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Which trompet did Chet Baker play on ?
Elsebeth Lind ...He used a Martin Committee during the 'fifties and 'sixties.
Hi I'm the child looking for a trumpet I'm wondering where u can get the Yamaha trumpet can u tell me please?
I didn't know Tom Hanks could even play trumpet.
🔥🔥🔥
Could you tell me what Thomann Horn with serila number 14498 model is please ?
Please, can somebody recommend me trumpet for not professional player? I'm thinking of buying Yamaha YTR-4335 GS, is there a better option?
I liked the bark of the Yamaha ( oh.. bad pun)
Please do a video on least expensive professional trumpets among Getzen, Back, Yamaha...
America 🤘🏿
Any trumpet will do
What mic is he using?
1:26 Not if you're Der Donald
"Hurrr durr orange man hand funny hurrr durrr"
Where is the Thoman Manufactured?
J. S. Germany
China
Thomann trumpets are made in China. They test them in Germany before selling them. The Yamaha in this video is also made in China, and the Bach. Jupiter is made in Taiwan. But they are all good trumpets.
Where are the Thomann trumpets made? US?
China.
@@robgrune3284 no wrong Europe
what mic is that
Yamaha valves? You have to be kidding, three new trumpets later we resigned to the fact that the Yamaha has problems with their Monel valves so would not recommend (5335gsii)
Is there something cheaper than ~750$? Like 200$? I don't actually know if it's for me and I don't want to spend that much money.
gut
Are these sold in stores?
Yep... at the thomann store. Check the link in the video description.
//Andy
Are they sold in other music stores?
What song is that at Minute 4?
Plz price